Prolapsed Disc

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Hey,

I've had pain in my lower back going down my leg for about 6 months now, after numerous visits to the osteopath i decided to consult my own GP about the pain who referred me for an MRI scan.

The scan revealed that i have a prolapsed disc in the L5/S1 region and the neurosurgeon has recommended surgery. I'm due to have surgery in July which I'm not too nervous about.

I just want to know if anyone has had this type of surgery and how long it does to fully recover? The consultant said i have to stay off work for about 4/5 weeks. How soon will i be able to drive? What sort of things are difficult to do after the surgery for example sleeping? sitting etc

My body movement is fine at the moment, i just find it very difficult to drive and to sit in one place for a long time.

Please reply if you've had the same surgery as I'm about to go through in July

Thanks

Adam
 
I haven't got a clue, the consultant said its a pretty straight forward procedure where they make a small cut in my back to get to my spine.

Op is on a Thursday he said i should be able to go home on the Saturday.

I didn't know there are different types of surgeries?
 
Don't do the surgery for herniated disc that include any cutting.

Explore Minimally-invasive spine surgery!!!
 
I'm sure Keano has the best of intentions in writing this but it would best to consult with your own medical consultant should you have any concerns regarding your forthcoming operation.

Best wishes
Moonfairy
HPmods
 
Once again, thank you for your advice in this matter. With respect to your obvious knowledge on this subject, such a forum post can only be advisory and with this awareness, The Specialist can now decided whether to pursue this matter or not. I am not saying it is wrong, just appending a note of caution.

I am aware that in previous posts you have said you are not medically qualified but are undergoing research in this field, and I would also point out the site disclaimer at the bottom of the page, and in particular the following:
 
Guys we don't need to argue over this, Keano thanks for your advice and Moonfairy thanks for yours too.

The consultant did mention about a small cut which has to be made to get to my spine in order to cut off the bulging part of the disc.

Have you had surgery on your spine then Moonfairy?

Thanks
 
Hi TS

Lol, re your mention of โ€˜argumentโ€™, as I donโ€™t do them. Being a moderator of this forum, I offer genuine and sincere advice, as deemed necessary.

To answer your specific question, No I havenโ€™t had back surgery, though I have indeed experienced back pain, and for 18 months, so I can certainly empathise about back pain and I read about it with interest.

To return to the specific topic of this thread, keano16 looks to have great knowledge on the subject of back pain. I had to remind myself that he posted on earlier threads that he was a medical researcher rather than a neurosurgeon. Lol. Maybe his own personal experiences of back pain might also provide further help in this matter.

I do sincerely send you my best wishes regarding your future surgery and hope that it will render you pain free.

Moonfairy
HPmods
 
Are you trying to be sarcastic and ironic with that "LOL"? Yes, I am a researcher but I don't research for profit, I research for prosperity and health. Also, I have a lot of personal experience, as you can see.
 
Replying as a forum moderator:



Keano16,

As Moonfairy stated in her reply to The Specialist:



so there will have been no sarcasm or irony, as you put it, regarding the harmless inclusion of a LOL or two, merely a desire to remain pleasant in tone while responding to your earlier post #4:



to ensure that forum posts and any advice offered by and to our members remains ethical, unbiased and does not breach forum guidelines in any regard.

I trust this clarifies the position for everyone, since the question of there being any 'argument' here simply does not arise.

Holistic
On behalf of the Healthypages Moderating Team
 
There are two main versions of decompression spinal surgery,
Open back & Microsurgery

The key difference is that the open back variety starts with a 2 to 6 inch incision in your skin, lower tissue levels, nerves, ligaments and muscles right down to the bones of the vertabrae.

The Microsurgery only requires a 1 to 2 inch incision in the skin, lower tissue levels and nerves. After that, the object of this procedure is to reduce 'or' illiminate the need to cut the ligaments and muscles as above.
However!! This is achieved by incerting tools in to the incision site and forcing the skin, tissue, nerves (and sometimes) muscles apart.
This means, that although the 'initial incision' is smaller, the actual size of the 'working hole' in your back, will be about the same size and would possibly be as destructive!

I would qualify this by saying, that due to the a smaller area of the various levels being cut, the Microsurgery has to be the better of 2 evils!! Also, several posters on this forum have reported 'good clinical outcomes'
after undergoing the micro procedure, see continue reading this thread!!

After the Surgeon gets to the vertibrae, the normal procedure is to 'cut' a window in the your vertabrae (be it healthy or not) to gain access to the
area where the decompression surgery is to take place. This is called a laminectomy or laminotomy, depending on where you live.

After the procedure (be it succesful or not) all these cut, torn, bruised, damaged and athough wise 'buggered' body parts will need to heal perfectly if you are to reach a good long term outcome.

But thats another story, I have to go now, but I will return to continue this thread!

All the very best to you!


SPINELF
 
SPINELF, allow me to correct your statements.

Surgeries are not divided to OPEN and MICRO-SURGERY. Micro-surgery is only microscopically controlled open back surgery, and thats it.

Currently in world spinal surgery is divided to:
1. Traditional spine surgery (also known as traditional spine surgery, long incision spine surgery, micro-surgery)
2. Minimally-invasive spine surgery

Minimally-invasive surgery is divided in different ways according to different authors, I think that best way for patients from this forum to understand is to divide MISS to this categories:
1. Percutanoues surgery (trough the skin, trough the needle, for example laser decompression, nucleoplasty...)
2. Micro-endoscopic surgery (trough the tubular retractor, like METRx)
3. Endoscopic surgery (trough the canula utilizing endoscope for visualization).

Also, laminectomy and laminotomy are not the same things and they don't depend on patients location. It depends on surgical technique and method that is used in unique patient. Laminectomy includes removing bigger part of lamina while laminotomy includes removing smaller part of lamina.
 
Continuing from previous reply:

One of the main reasons that a patient's satisfaction rate is so low after
these spinal procedures, is that all of the levels I mentioned previously
do not often heal completely at post operation. Also, scarring, liesions and other procedure related damage caused during these destructive
operations, add pain and symptoms that were not present before the operation.

Also, because of the need for Surgeons to have an 'approach area' that could be as big as 6 inches long and 4 inches wide in a patients back,
the risk of 'air bourne' infections is 'heightened'.

In addition, the risk of blood infections is also heightened, as high blood loss is not unusual during these open back variety procedures.

Complications due to the required general aneasthetic is as per normal operations.

So, in short, these so called 'gold standard' procedures offered by most UK & US Surgeons, are usually very destructive and all my research over the last 5 years has failed to uncover any authorative peer reviewed medical papers 'or' trial results, that confirm that these procedures are either safe or efficatious for the patient.

However, there are members on this forum who have reported recieving excellent results from some of these procedures, so do your research have a look at these threads. Also, research your Surgeon thoroughly too, as the the outcomes do appear to depend on how determind any given Surgeon is, to limiting the collatoral damage!

---------------------------------------

As KEANO points out in his reply to my last post to you, there are other alternatives to the open back approach, sadly not on the NHS!

I broadly agree with Keano's statements, but not all, however, you need not get tied up in the finer detail of the disagreements that he makes at this point in your research.

Minimally Invasive Spinal Surgery (MISS) is where the cutting edge of spine surgey is at!! They utilise micro-endoscopes, miniture & powered cutting tools and state of the art Holium & Yag lasers.

6 years ago there were around 5 spine clinics (world wide) that carried out this procedure, now there are more like 20.
There is still some variety between them, some still cut through the vertabrae (lamina), whilst others gain access to the spinal column, by using the (foraminal opening) gap that naturally occurs in the spinal system. But all MISS procedures, reduce the amount collatoral damage by cutting out the unnecersary cutting and stripping of the open back procedures.

For research purposes, please see these web sites:
www.bonati.com
www.spinal-foundation.org
There are many more similar sites, so if you need more info, please post again!


Also, see this recent video and animation I saw from America:

www.thedoctorstv.com Then click on 'PROCEDURE CAM' and then
select laser spine surgery and laser spine surgery animation.

These sites will give you a good understanding of the methodology behind the MISS procedures. Happy researching!!!


Best wishes


SPINELF
 
so after reading your posts spinelf, i am eager to try anything but surgery. have posted as of yesterday on the 'got a prolapsed disc' thread. To summerize, I have an L4/L5 prolapse that I am pretty sure is prssing on some nerves as i have moderate back pain and sciatic pain in both hip areas. I have seen a ortho surgeon who pretty much said its not worth operating on and my problem is im fat! obviously not happy and requested to see another surgeon. anyway, can anyone recommend some alternatives other than surgery and how I go about those. btw,did not have a job when sciatica started and have not been able to get one due to the pain as it has only gotten worse.cannot currently stand or sit more than 10 minutes and cannot walk more than 100-200 metres at a time. currently fighting with the dwp for ESA so not sure what i could afford as far as treatments go,any help/advice would be fantastic if you need more background its all in the other post 'got a prolapsed disc' thread. thanks very much everyone, Lisa.
 
Sorry I haven't responded sooner Lisa!

You appear to be traped in a vicious cicle, you are not alone, and when the Government gets started on it's cuts, it will become a whole lot worse!! You are not allowed treatment to make you better, and you can't get benefit to allow you to be ill!! SO UNFAIR!!!!

Your weight could be a problem, as I am sure, you don't need telling,
but, that should not (automatically) rule you out of a treatment that would allow you to exercise more and with less pain, and vastly improve the quality of you life. So don't let them block treatment for that reason.
After all, which came first, the chicken or the egg!!

In order for you to make an informed choice from available and suitable options, you need definitive and accurate MRI & (load bearing) X-ray scans and reports. I would reccomend that you invest in 'privately funded ones' from clinics that are as far away as you can tolerate to travel (in order to avoid professional bias) away from your Health Trust's area, and then take them to the next consultaion and insist that your Surgeon reviews and explains them with you.

LOOK UP:

Loadstone
BMI
Nuffield
Spire &
Bupa

Prices vary from around ยฃ200 up to ยฃ800.

Best wishes


SPINELF
 
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    Phoenix Blossom Spa ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน2 girls ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ5124 Dundas St W Etobicokeโ˜Ž๏ธ416-817-3366๐Ÿ‘ Table Shower Sea Salt Bath Body Scrub๐Ÿ˜˜ Japanese girl Nina โค๏ธ Natural Big Boobs 38 DD ๐Ÿ˜˜Pink Mini Nipples Hot body slide, super enjoyable๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜ very provocative service๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜, professional super Luna deep tissue massage, has therapeutic effect to loosen bones and relieve muscle pressure and will bring you unexpected service effects, she will bring you a little surprise๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜โค๏ธYou are welcome to make an appoint
  31. DareDevil:
    ARIA WELLNESS โ™ฅ๏ธโ™ฅ๏ธADDRESS: 360 HWY 7, UNIT #6, RICHMOND HILL,647-222-5683 โ™ฅ๏ธโ™ฅ๏ธ(PHONES CALL ONLY, NO TEXT'N AVAILABLE) โ™ฅ๏ธTODAY'S Schedule!โ™ฅ๏ธ Loaded lineup with Beautiful Girls : Young RMT Student Helen, Sexy Busty Apple, Magical Mia and Work out๐Ÿ‹๐Ÿšด๐Ÿ’ช Babe Amy! SPECIAL PROMO 30 MINS 2 GIRLS $70 ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน**TODAY'S PICKS OF THE DAY ARE ๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿญ HELEN AND APPLE๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿญ**
  32. DareDevil:
    Blackpink Wellness โ™ฅ๏ธโ™ฅ๏ธ190 Marycroft Ave. Unit #2, Vaughan, ๐Ÿญ๐ŸฌON L4L 5Y1 (647) 395-3188. BEAUTIFUL AND SEXY GIRLS TODAY: Fun Girl Angela, New Indian Girl Radika and Beautiful Tiffany on duty๐ŸŒน.
  33. Lulu_Villa_Spa:
    Sami is a gorgeous model type Vietnamese Girl Mia new Vietnamese sweetheart girl with amazing personality Tiffany She is new as MPA From Philippines Slim Body Great Massage Fun personality Bella She is Mexican Gorgeous face Natalie she is CBC/filipina mixed
  34. Sunrise Relaxation(416)916-7276:
    Tomorrow@Sunrise Relaxation Downtown: Tiffany, Vivian and Kitty will be on shift. Call (416)500-0921 for detail schedule and insight info
  35. EMSpa_schedule:
    Tomorrow's sneak peek: On Wednesday May 28, 2025, our attendants will be Carla ๐Ÿ’‹, Cici ๐Ÿคฉ, Opal ๐Ÿคฉ, Sandy ๐Ÿ˜ and Yoyo ๐Ÿฅฐ. Call us at โ˜Ž๏ธ(905) 479-6668โ˜Ž๏ธ to book!
  36. wilson holistic centre:
    new girl works at ๐Ÿ’‹535 Evans Ave today ๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•โ˜Ž๏ธโ˜Ž๏ธ416-531-6969โ˜Ž๏ธโ˜Ž๏ธ
  37. Lulu1980:
    Phoenix Blossom Spa ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน Table shower .body scrub ๐Ÿ˜˜Three girls every day ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ 5124 Dundas West Street, Etobicoke โ˜Ž๏ธ 416-817-3366 ๐Ÿ‘ Newโ—๏ธNew girl Angela ,so young Petite and pretty๐Ÿ˜‹ open service ๐Ÿ˜œ๐Ÿ˜œ Sweet girl Luna deep massage ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜ Hot and sexy body very provocative service ๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜โค๏ธ You are welcome to make an appointment at any time or walk in directly through the back door. We have ample parking spaces available
  38. Sabrina Fox:
    I'M HOT BUSTY AFRICAN GIRL AVAILABLE AT WESTON & ST. CLAIR. LETS HOOK UP! ๐Ÿ“ž 647-271-9648
  39. ใ™ใฟใพใ›ใ‚“:
    Gabby , sunny , larissa , lora, michelle , christine on duty at top notch.
  40. Nu spring spa888:
    โค๏ธโค๏ธโค๏ธsexy hot Germany๐ŸŒธKorean ๐ŸŒธViennese girl working at๐Ÿ’“๐Ÿ’“ Nu spring spa โ˜Ž๏ธ416-669-8508โค๏ธโค๏ธโค๏ธ
  41. Golden Sunshine Spa:
    โœจClick on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates and special services ! โœ… Click Here Today๐ŸŒธSusan๐ŸŒธLuna๐ŸŒธXuka๐ŸŒธLynda๐ŸŒธBrandy Call us โ˜Ž 905 - 265 - 2158โ˜Ž๏ธ Your ultimate service awaits! โœจ
  42. SL East Spa:
    ๐Ÿ’†โ€โ™€๐Ÿ’–Tuesday ๐Ÿ’œ Ultimate destination for Asian massages๐ŸŽ‰ Two fab spots: SL Richmond Hill & SL West Oakvilleโœจ Your passport to paradise with 10 enchanting girls fr China, HK, Japan & Korea โ€” ๐Ÿ†• Aliyah, Lucy, Cindy, Yui, new Jojo, Coco, Cici, busty Amber, Kelly & Jasmine โ€” ready to pamper you๐ŸŽ๐Ÿ Ring us ๐Ÿ“ž647-695-6354 or text us ๐Ÿ“ฑ647-578-8169โœจ 160 East Beaver Cr., Unit 12, RichmondHill ๐Ÿ’ฐWhere Eastern charm meets Western comfort - your bliss awai
  43. SpringGreen.:
    Apple off your weeked with a bang๏ผ Judy is at spring green in downtown toronto Tuesday from 9am-9pm with apple and coco. apple is a very beautiful andcaring young lady๏ผkitty is super hot.๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ’‹647-891-0699 ask and text questions thanks๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ’‹
  44. wilson holistic centre:
    new girl works at ๐Ÿ’‹535 Evans Ave today ๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•โ˜Ž๏ธโ˜Ž๏ธ416-531-6969โ˜Ž๏ธโ˜Ž๏ธ
  45. Spa in Markham:
    GOLDEN FS โ€“ 8380 Kennedy Rd ๐Ÿ“ž 905-258-0777 / 416-688-6886 ๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡ฌ CANDY, ๐Ÿ‡ญ๐Ÿ‡บ VANESSA, ๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡ด MEGAN (2AM), ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ JULIE (8PM) ๐Ÿ”Ž View Schedule: bit.ly/flowers_schedule ๐Ÿ›Ž๏ธ Booking Now: bit.ly/bookinggoldenlove
  46. FLOWER Spa - BLUEXADO | Thornhill | VAUGHAN:
    BLUEXADO FS โ€“ #06-1102 Centre St ๐Ÿ“ž 416-357-9797 / 416-678-8668 ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ CICI, ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ MY LINH, ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ AMY, ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ SHERRY ๐Ÿ”Ž View Schedule: bit.ly/flowers_schedule ๐Ÿ›Ž๏ธ Booking Now: bit.ly/bookingbluexadolove
  47. Red Rose Spa:
    ๐ŸŒธ We have 13 hot brown girls today ๐ŸŒธ MONICA, ASHA, MALIYA, MONIKA, ANGEL, MIMI, PREETI, ANGELINA, DIYA, PAYAL PEARL, KIRAN ๐ŸŒธ 2588 Birchmount ๐ŸŒธ 2 Invergordon ๐ŸŒธ 647-702-8800 ๐ŸŒธ Please visit for a great erotic massage
  48. FLOWER Spa โ€“ PINK | Scarborough | TORONTO:
    PINK FS โ€“ 3300 McNicoll Ave ๐Ÿ“ž 416-299-5515 / 416-817-3839 ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡ท ELINA, ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ KELLY, ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ญ MADY (1PM) ๐Ÿ”Ž View Schedule: bit.ly/flowers_schedule ๐Ÿ›Ž๏ธ Booking Now: bit.ly/bookingpinklove
  49. Jennyโ€™s Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’JENNYโ€™S SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…5170 DUNDAS STREET WESTโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒETOBICOKE ONTARIO M9A 1C4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ( 647-893-5196)โ˜Ž๏ธCall or Text โ˜Ž๏ธ( 437-888-3759)โ˜Ž๏ธCall Only (ETOBICOKE) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…GRAND OPENING๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅEXCELLENT MASSAGE + SERVICE QUEENS NOW AVAILABLE AT JENNYโ€™S SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅTWO BEAUTIFUL NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ’ฏREAL PICTURES OF ATTENDANTS๐Ÿ’ฏ ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’‹Limited Time Special Promotion๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’‹ โœ…๐Ÿ’ฆ30 Minutes Nude Mass
  50. DareDevil:
    ARIA WELLNESS ๐Ÿฌ๐ŸญADDRESS: 360 HWY 7, UNIT #6, โ™ฅ๏ธRICHMOND HILL,647-222-5683 (PHONES CALL ONLY, NO TEXT'N AVAILABLE) โ™ฅ๏ธTODAY'S Schedule!โ™ฅ๏ธ Loaded lineup with Beautiful Girls : Yoga Lucy, Killer Kelly, Adorable Eva, Magical Mia and Work out๐Ÿ‹๐Ÿšด๐Ÿ’ช Babe Amy! BUY 10 HOURS (GET 11 HOURS) **TODAY'S PICK OF THE DAY ARE ๐Ÿฌ๐ŸญLUCY AND KELLY๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿญ**
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