Prolapsed Disc

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Hey,

I've had pain in my lower back going down my leg for about 6 months now, after numerous visits to the osteopath i decided to consult my own GP about the pain who referred me for an MRI scan.

The scan revealed that i have a prolapsed disc in the L5/S1 region and the neurosurgeon has recommended surgery. I'm due to have surgery in July which I'm not too nervous about.

I just want to know if anyone has had this type of surgery and how long it does to fully recover? The consultant said i have to stay off work for about 4/5 weeks. How soon will i be able to drive? What sort of things are difficult to do after the surgery for example sleeping? sitting etc

My body movement is fine at the moment, i just find it very difficult to drive and to sit in one place for a long time.

Please reply if you've had the same surgery as I'm about to go through in July

Thanks

Adam
 
I haven't got a clue, the consultant said its a pretty straight forward procedure where they make a small cut in my back to get to my spine.

Op is on a Thursday he said i should be able to go home on the Saturday.

I didn't know there are different types of surgeries?
 
Don't do the surgery for herniated disc that include any cutting.

Explore Minimally-invasive spine surgery!!!
 
I'm sure Keano has the best of intentions in writing this but it would best to consult with your own medical consultant should you have any concerns regarding your forthcoming operation.

Best wishes
Moonfairy
HPmods
 
Once again, thank you for your advice in this matter. With respect to your obvious knowledge on this subject, such a forum post can only be advisory and with this awareness, The Specialist can now decided whether to pursue this matter or not. I am not saying it is wrong, just appending a note of caution.

I am aware that in previous posts you have said you are not medically qualified but are undergoing research in this field, and I would also point out the site disclaimer at the bottom of the page, and in particular the following:
 
Guys we don't need to argue over this, Keano thanks for your advice and Moonfairy thanks for yours too.

The consultant did mention about a small cut which has to be made to get to my spine in order to cut off the bulging part of the disc.

Have you had surgery on your spine then Moonfairy?

Thanks
 
Hi TS

Lol, re your mention of โ€˜argumentโ€™, as I donโ€™t do them. Being a moderator of this forum, I offer genuine and sincere advice, as deemed necessary.

To answer your specific question, No I havenโ€™t had back surgery, though I have indeed experienced back pain, and for 18 months, so I can certainly empathise about back pain and I read about it with interest.

To return to the specific topic of this thread, keano16 looks to have great knowledge on the subject of back pain. I had to remind myself that he posted on earlier threads that he was a medical researcher rather than a neurosurgeon. Lol. Maybe his own personal experiences of back pain might also provide further help in this matter.

I do sincerely send you my best wishes regarding your future surgery and hope that it will render you pain free.

Moonfairy
HPmods
 
Are you trying to be sarcastic and ironic with that "LOL"? Yes, I am a researcher but I don't research for profit, I research for prosperity and health. Also, I have a lot of personal experience, as you can see.
 
Replying as a forum moderator:



Keano16,

As Moonfairy stated in her reply to The Specialist:



so there will have been no sarcasm or irony, as you put it, regarding the harmless inclusion of a LOL or two, merely a desire to remain pleasant in tone while responding to your earlier post #4:



to ensure that forum posts and any advice offered by and to our members remains ethical, unbiased and does not breach forum guidelines in any regard.

I trust this clarifies the position for everyone, since the question of there being any 'argument' here simply does not arise.

Holistic
On behalf of the Healthypages Moderating Team
 
There are two main versions of decompression spinal surgery,
Open back & Microsurgery

The key difference is that the open back variety starts with a 2 to 6 inch incision in your skin, lower tissue levels, nerves, ligaments and muscles right down to the bones of the vertabrae.

The Microsurgery only requires a 1 to 2 inch incision in the skin, lower tissue levels and nerves. After that, the object of this procedure is to reduce 'or' illiminate the need to cut the ligaments and muscles as above.
However!! This is achieved by incerting tools in to the incision site and forcing the skin, tissue, nerves (and sometimes) muscles apart.
This means, that although the 'initial incision' is smaller, the actual size of the 'working hole' in your back, will be about the same size and would possibly be as destructive!

I would qualify this by saying, that due to the a smaller area of the various levels being cut, the Microsurgery has to be the better of 2 evils!! Also, several posters on this forum have reported 'good clinical outcomes'
after undergoing the micro procedure, see continue reading this thread!!

After the Surgeon gets to the vertibrae, the normal procedure is to 'cut' a window in the your vertabrae (be it healthy or not) to gain access to the
area where the decompression surgery is to take place. This is called a laminectomy or laminotomy, depending on where you live.

After the procedure (be it succesful or not) all these cut, torn, bruised, damaged and athough wise 'buggered' body parts will need to heal perfectly if you are to reach a good long term outcome.

But thats another story, I have to go now, but I will return to continue this thread!

All the very best to you!


SPINELF
 
SPINELF, allow me to correct your statements.

Surgeries are not divided to OPEN and MICRO-SURGERY. Micro-surgery is only microscopically controlled open back surgery, and thats it.

Currently in world spinal surgery is divided to:
1. Traditional spine surgery (also known as traditional spine surgery, long incision spine surgery, micro-surgery)
2. Minimally-invasive spine surgery

Minimally-invasive surgery is divided in different ways according to different authors, I think that best way for patients from this forum to understand is to divide MISS to this categories:
1. Percutanoues surgery (trough the skin, trough the needle, for example laser decompression, nucleoplasty...)
2. Micro-endoscopic surgery (trough the tubular retractor, like METRx)
3. Endoscopic surgery (trough the canula utilizing endoscope for visualization).

Also, laminectomy and laminotomy are not the same things and they don't depend on patients location. It depends on surgical technique and method that is used in unique patient. Laminectomy includes removing bigger part of lamina while laminotomy includes removing smaller part of lamina.
 
Continuing from previous reply:

One of the main reasons that a patient's satisfaction rate is so low after
these spinal procedures, is that all of the levels I mentioned previously
do not often heal completely at post operation. Also, scarring, liesions and other procedure related damage caused during these destructive
operations, add pain and symptoms that were not present before the operation.

Also, because of the need for Surgeons to have an 'approach area' that could be as big as 6 inches long and 4 inches wide in a patients back,
the risk of 'air bourne' infections is 'heightened'.

In addition, the risk of blood infections is also heightened, as high blood loss is not unusual during these open back variety procedures.

Complications due to the required general aneasthetic is as per normal operations.

So, in short, these so called 'gold standard' procedures offered by most UK & US Surgeons, are usually very destructive and all my research over the last 5 years has failed to uncover any authorative peer reviewed medical papers 'or' trial results, that confirm that these procedures are either safe or efficatious for the patient.

However, there are members on this forum who have reported recieving excellent results from some of these procedures, so do your research have a look at these threads. Also, research your Surgeon thoroughly too, as the the outcomes do appear to depend on how determind any given Surgeon is, to limiting the collatoral damage!

---------------------------------------

As KEANO points out in his reply to my last post to you, there are other alternatives to the open back approach, sadly not on the NHS!

I broadly agree with Keano's statements, but not all, however, you need not get tied up in the finer detail of the disagreements that he makes at this point in your research.

Minimally Invasive Spinal Surgery (MISS) is where the cutting edge of spine surgey is at!! They utilise micro-endoscopes, miniture & powered cutting tools and state of the art Holium & Yag lasers.

6 years ago there were around 5 spine clinics (world wide) that carried out this procedure, now there are more like 20.
There is still some variety between them, some still cut through the vertabrae (lamina), whilst others gain access to the spinal column, by using the (foraminal opening) gap that naturally occurs in the spinal system. But all MISS procedures, reduce the amount collatoral damage by cutting out the unnecersary cutting and stripping of the open back procedures.

For research purposes, please see these web sites:
www.bonati.com
www.spinal-foundation.org
There are many more similar sites, so if you need more info, please post again!


Also, see this recent video and animation I saw from America:

www.thedoctorstv.com Then click on 'PROCEDURE CAM' and then
select laser spine surgery and laser spine surgery animation.

These sites will give you a good understanding of the methodology behind the MISS procedures. Happy researching!!!


Best wishes


SPINELF
 
so after reading your posts spinelf, i am eager to try anything but surgery. have posted as of yesterday on the 'got a prolapsed disc' thread. To summerize, I have an L4/L5 prolapse that I am pretty sure is prssing on some nerves as i have moderate back pain and sciatic pain in both hip areas. I have seen a ortho surgeon who pretty much said its not worth operating on and my problem is im fat! obviously not happy and requested to see another surgeon. anyway, can anyone recommend some alternatives other than surgery and how I go about those. btw,did not have a job when sciatica started and have not been able to get one due to the pain as it has only gotten worse.cannot currently stand or sit more than 10 minutes and cannot walk more than 100-200 metres at a time. currently fighting with the dwp for ESA so not sure what i could afford as far as treatments go,any help/advice would be fantastic if you need more background its all in the other post 'got a prolapsed disc' thread. thanks very much everyone, Lisa.
 
Sorry I haven't responded sooner Lisa!

You appear to be traped in a vicious cicle, you are not alone, and when the Government gets started on it's cuts, it will become a whole lot worse!! You are not allowed treatment to make you better, and you can't get benefit to allow you to be ill!! SO UNFAIR!!!!

Your weight could be a problem, as I am sure, you don't need telling,
but, that should not (automatically) rule you out of a treatment that would allow you to exercise more and with less pain, and vastly improve the quality of you life. So don't let them block treatment for that reason.
After all, which came first, the chicken or the egg!!

In order for you to make an informed choice from available and suitable options, you need definitive and accurate MRI & (load bearing) X-ray scans and reports. I would reccomend that you invest in 'privately funded ones' from clinics that are as far away as you can tolerate to travel (in order to avoid professional bias) away from your Health Trust's area, and then take them to the next consultaion and insist that your Surgeon reviews and explains them with you.

LOOK UP:

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Prices vary from around ยฃ200 up to ยฃ800.

Best wishes


SPINELF
 
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    Tomorrow's sneak peek: On Tuesday May 27, 2025, our attendants will be Ada ๐Ÿคฉ, Christina ๐Ÿ‘, Cici ๐Ÿคฉ, Ivy ๐Ÿ˜, Monica ๐Ÿ˜ and Connie ๐Ÿคฉ. Call us at โ˜Ž๏ธ(905) 479-6668โ˜Ž๏ธ to book!
  34. wilson holistic centre:
    new girl works at ๐Ÿ’‹535 Evans Ave today ๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•โ˜Ž๏ธโ˜Ž๏ธ416-531-6969โ˜Ž๏ธโ˜Ž๏ธ
  35. SL East Spa:
    ๐Ÿ’†โ€โ™€๐Ÿ’–Monday ๐Ÿ’œ๐Ÿ’– Ultimate destination for Asian massages๐ŸŽ‰ Two fab spots: SL Richmond Hill & SL West Oakvilleโœจ Your passport to paradise with 10 enchanting girls fr China, HK, Japan & Korea โ€” Top Star Jenny, ๐Ÿ†• Elsa, Coco, Eva, Cindy, Kelly, Amber, Busty Echo, Yoyo, JPN Yui & Juliet โ€” ๐Ÿ๐ŸŽˆ Hit up 647-695-6354๐Ÿค™ or text to ๐Ÿ“ฑ647-578-8169 โœจ160 East Beaver Cr., Unit 12, Richmond Hill ๐Ÿ’ฐWhere Eastern charm meets Western comfort - your bliss awaits๐Ÿ™Œ
  36. wilson holistic centre:
    new girl works at ๐Ÿ’‹535 Evans Ave today ๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•โ˜Ž๏ธโ˜Ž๏ธ416-531-6969โ˜Ž๏ธโ˜Ž๏ธ
  37. wonderspa:
    wonderspa: ๐ŸŒบWonder spa,(9421Jane st unit127)call416-5000-800โ˜Ž๏ธbest massage in vaughan,๐Ÿ’„sexy very young girl Mimi๏ผŒlong legs ,natural c cup,very good looking amazing massage nice body slide,really popular ๐ŸŽlong hair mina smile,very good looking ,strong to relax oil ,back walk,more experience โค๏ธvery sexy Vietnamese girl Amy,open maid,amazing the end,really popular,must try๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿฅคall awesome massage ๐Ÿ‘๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน
  38. Golden Sunshine Spa:
    โœจClick on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates and special services ! โœ… Click Here Today๐ŸŒธSamy๐ŸŒธPriya๐ŸŒธLynda๐ŸŒธAletta๐ŸŒธIsabella๐ŸŒธIvy Call us โ˜Ž 905 - 265 - 2158โ˜Ž๏ธ Your ultimate service awaits! โœจ
  39. DareDevil:
    366 ARIA WELLNESS โ™ฅ๏ธโ™ฅ๏ธADDRESS: 360 HWY 7, UNIT #6, RICHMOND HILL,647-222-5683 โ™ฅ๏ธโ™ฅ๏ธ(PHONES CALL ONLY, NO TEXT'N AVAILABLE) โ™ฅ๏ธTODAY'S Schedule!โ™ฅ๏ธ Loaded lineup with Beautiful Girls : New young RMT student Helen, Fun girl Apple, Magical Mia and Work out๐Ÿ‹๐Ÿšด๐Ÿ’ช Babe Amy! SPECIAL PROMO 30 MINS 2 GIRLS $70 ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน**TODAY'S PICKS OF THE DAY ARE ๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿญ APPLE AND HELEN๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿญ**
  40. Soul Relax Spa:
    โœจ Looking for a relaxing escape? โœ… Click Here Meet๐ŸŒธCarly๐ŸŒธBrandy๐ŸŒธKellyCall us today for the best treatment and service experience. Click on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates ! Call now โ˜Ž 289 - 298 - 5662โ˜Ž๏ธ Your ultimate relaxation awaits! โœจ
  41. Spa in Markham:
    GOLDEN FS โ€“ 8380 Kennedy Rd ๐Ÿ“ž 905-258-0777 / 416-688-6886 ๐Ÿ‡ญ๐Ÿ‡บ VANESSA, ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ JULIE (2PM), ๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡ด MEGAN (8PM), ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ KELLY, ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡ณ SONIA (8PM), ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ JESSIE ๐Ÿ”Ž View Schedule: bit.ly/flowers_schedule ๐Ÿ›Ž๏ธ Booking Now: bit.ly/bookinggoldenlove
  42. FLOWER Spa - BLUEXADO | Thornhill | VAUGHAN:
    BLUEXADO FS โ€“ #06-1102 Centre St ๐Ÿ“ž 416-357-9797 / 416-678-8668 ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ CICI, ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ AMY, ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ SHERRY ๐Ÿ”Ž View Schedule: bit.ly/flowers_schedule ๐Ÿ›Ž๏ธ Booking Now: bit.ly/bookingbluexadolove
  43. FLOWER Spa โ€“ PINK | Scarborough | TORONTO:
    PINK FS โ€“ 3300 McNicoll Ave ๐Ÿ“ž 416-299-5515 / 416-817-3839 ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡ท ELINA, ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ญ MADY, ๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡ฌ CANDY, ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ NANCY ๐Ÿ”Ž View Schedule: bit.ly/flowers_schedule ๐Ÿ›Ž๏ธ Booking Now: bit.ly/bookingpinklove
  44. SpringGreen.:
    Today we have 5 girls on downtown Toronto 72 gerrard st west๏ผš๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ’‹ New girl Hitti very young๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ’‹Lisa- Tanned Spanish beauty with large melons and a fun booty too minica- exotic goddess with a gymnasts body and corresponding flexibility Jennifer- Exotic beauty with... Call and text 647 891 0699 ask question :heart4 :heart4 :heart4
  45. Jennyโ€™s Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’JENNYโ€™S SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…5170 DUNDAS STREET WESTโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒETOBICOKE ONTARIO M9A 1C4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ( 647-893-5196)โ˜Ž๏ธCall or Text โ˜Ž๏ธ( 437-888-3759)โ˜Ž๏ธCall Only (ETOBICOKE) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…GRAND OPENING๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅEXCELLENT MASSAGE + SERVICE QUEENS NOW AVAILABLE AT JENNYโ€™S SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅTWO BEAUTIFUL NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ’ฏREAL PICTURES OF ATTENDANTS๐Ÿ’ฏ ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’‹Limited Time Special Promotion๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’‹ โœ…๐Ÿ’ฆ30 Minutes Nude Mass
  46. AliceSpa:
    3 Sexy Young Girls Today at Alice Spa. Open 10am to 9pm : CLOUDIA (12pm-9pm): is Vietnamese, young, petite 5'2" & 96 Lbs, B Cup, best rim deep bbbj cim. $40 Room Fee + $80 (incl bbbj & fs). +$20 for rim/cim. Excellent open minded services. SKY (10:30am-9pm): is Part time girl from Indonesia, petite 5'2", B Cup, 100 Lbs, long black hair, new to the biz.Young, fresh/cute, pretty, submissive, slim tiny waist, fair skin. bbbj
  47. ForeverWarden:
    Monday at ๐Ÿซฆโค๏ธ๐Ÿ”ดโ™พ๏ธ๐“•๐“ž๐“ก๐“”๐“ฅ๐“”๐“ก ๐“ข๐“Ÿ๐“โ™พ๏ธ๐ŸŸฅ๐Ÿ”ดโค๏ธ๐Ÿซฆ 2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฌ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด๐Ÿณ: Bella, Yumi & Cindy. Bella is around 5โ€™3โ€ with a thin to medium build, C Cups, and a pleasing personality. She can offer dfk, bbbj and cfs as well as a good massage experience. Yumi is a young half Chinese / /half Korean very sexy & slim beauty, can do bbbj cim, excellent services...
  48. HolidaySpa:
    Monday at ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…๐“—๐“ธ๐“ต๐“ฒ๐“ญ๐“ช๐”‚ ๐“ข๐“น๐“ช๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4, Scarborough โ˜Ž๏ธ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿญ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿต๐Ÿตโ˜Ž๏ธ: AMY, FIONA & CINDY. AMY is an attractive young lady with larger breasts and a nice bottom. She has outstanding oral skills, and is very popular. Donโ€™t miss out on her special skills! FIONA is a slim hottie with long dark hair, great melons and ass, and nice services. CINDY is slim
  49. SugarLoveSpa:
    Monday at โค๏ธ๐Ÿ’™ ๐Ÿ’œโŽ๐—ฆ๐—จ๐—š๐—”๐—ฅ ๐—Ÿ๐—ข๐—ฉ๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”โŽ ๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿ’˜: ANA, CHRISTINA, MIA, TIFFANY & VIVI. 1270 Finch Ave W (at Keele St), Unit 18. North York, ON โ˜Ž ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฑ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด โ˜Ž ANA is a young, short and sweet lady, 5โ€™1 & 105 Lbs, very tight, with a small to medium booty. Ana is a versatile honey who provides great massage, & can accommodate your needs. CHRISTINA is Spanish, C Cups, 5'3", tall & nice curves, very open mind
  50. bnwellness_wilson:
    We have 4 young girls are working today, young pretty Lily 25โ€™s with curve body and flirty Ivy 36DD with curly body 30โ€™s open mind, young sweet popular Michelle 26โ€™s with curve body open mind and cute GFE Ella are providing deep tissue massage, pls call 4163985777 book appointment and walk in always welcome,back entrance and parking available, 350 Wilson Ave North York
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