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need some serious advice here guys.

ive had a client this week who has neck problem very limited ROM pain when turning head to left, client gets pins and needles when turning to the left also, they had an MRI 18mths ago and the outcome was degeneration of discs, they contantly wear a scarf to help keep the neck warm, there is not much strength in the muscles, left shoulder is elevated, scapular is ant rotated, on L side, teres major also very tight. there are signs of scar tissue at the proximal end of trapezius around the around the C2 area, there is also a slight curve of the spine from right to left when sitting. client did say they had a fall and banged there head on the floor a few weeks ago, client added that he has had this neck problem for several years, posture is all over the place so i wont explain for now

i performed gentle MFR to neck and traps, a little DF on TM and a little MET to neck, but all was very difficult due to pain, client did gain a little more ROM from treatment.

my question is, with the suspected nerve (pins and needles) problem i think i'd much perfer to refer client on to some one else but who is best? or should i stick to treating him myself for the muscular problems?

oh yes the client is 81 and not looking the picture of health either if you get my drift so very frail and not able to take deep work well
 
Hi beagle.

Usually I'd refer to chiro/osteopath but can they do much to "fix" degenerative discs? You have found muscular tightness around the shoulder area so your sports massage will be of benefit for sure.

Personally I would continue massage for a few weeks then refer to chiro/osteo if no improvement to general client comfort then see what the client believes is working best.

Just my thoughts- human body isn't half complex
 
Hi Beagle,
by this age most of us will be experiencing a multitude of degenerative changes so I would not be using anything but gentle techniques for short periods.(if at all).
My prefered choice for referall would be to a cranial osteopath because of the gentle natue of this therapy.

Regards steve
 
If you decide to treat I suggest general maassage using aloe vera heat cream as a mediummet using eye direction to contract muscles (not a vountary muscle contraction)positional release / scsand avoid any form of frictions

From the info you have given that's what i would do anyway
 
not sure what an osteo or chiro would do, as neck manipulations would be contra-indicated here.

IMO a softly softly approach is best here, and I would use heat (in the form of a decent warming cream, which you can buy online, with ingredients that actually work such aloe, msm, essential oils). Maybe just using light 'melting' pressure.

I would agree with the referall if the paresthesia is constant, rather than intermittent, however, best to refer back to his GP as opposed to another comp health practitioner.
 
As long as there are no apparent contraindications, why not try nerve gliding techniques?

I have found this is good for clients with 'pins and needles'
 
Reading this thread, I'm slightly surprised that a frail 81-year-old has booked himself in for 'sports massage'. I would be inclined to do some very gentle MFR, or refer the client on to an osteo or chiro.

Alan
 
well i have explained what sports massage is all about and what other therapies might be able to offer, i also said he should go back to the Dr and get an xray on his neck and get referred to a physio via NHS as the Dr said physio would help his problems, He went to Doc's again after several questions the Dr said there was no need for xray and do what he thinks is best

before asecond treatment i asked if there was any benefit he felt after the first treatment, he said there was and he wanted to continue, his son was there also to listen to what i had to say, his son also had a treatment while he was there and was very impressed with my service

the client has now booked a course of 5 treatments, i am only doing gentle massage and added what you guys have surgested, i do see a much better ROM after the second treatment, but i think that his problems will never go as it has been to long before treatment

but it has been interesting to hear you thoughts on dealing with an older client, and i was suprised that they chose a SM for treatment
 
I regularly see an 80 year old who has a full body sports massage as well as other soft tissue techniques, he attends the gym 5 times a week ,cycles 10 miles a day and walks 5 miles a day, both he and I dont see his age as an issue regarding treatment, as a therapist you just need to be aware that you may need to use varying pressure but the outcomes can be very beneficial. Contrary to some of the opinions on this thread, I see osteopathy and ( particularly) chiropractic as more aggressive and inappropriate for a client of this nature. I also for the record, do not extol the virtues of other therapies whilst I am appropriatley trained, qualified and able to assist the client in meeting their goal.

I have to say that on my original training course, this type of scenario was covered, we had access to treating older clients and in the summative assessments there was questioning of how we would adapt our treatment to facilitate treatment of older or frail clients.

Myofascial relase can be very gentle and effective and greatly assists in the primary goal to restore range of movement, after all a muscle cannot work properly with limited activity whilst held in a mid range position.
kind regards
BGFL
 
Hi Gary

I agree that there are some very fit 80-year-olds who are still active enough to need regular sports massage : there were some very impressive performances in the over-80 category at the recent World Masters Championships ! But Beagle did specifically say that his client was 'very frail' and didn't appear to be in the best of health !

Regards

Alan
 
Hello Alan,
I did read the OP, my point was that perhaps the training course didnt adequately prepare the student for either working with frail clients or referring to a more appropriately trained therapist.
for the record my oldest client is a frail 94 year old great grandmother of another client
kind regards
Gary
 
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    ๐ŸŒบwelcome to wonder spaโ˜Ž๏ธ416-5000-800,L6a4H8๏ผŒ. 4young beautiful girls working everyday,Ensuit shower available ๐Ÿ…,new friendly nice girl CiCi,providing oil deep tissue to relax massage and nice body slide,back work,๐Ÿ…nice Vietnamese Amy is very good looking,big breasted sweet smile,open mind,everything she can do๐ŸŒน,beautiful new lily slim body,strong to relaxing oil ,relief your stress,more experience,๐Ÿ”ฅmust try๐Ÿ”ฅ
  37. Golden Sunshine Spa:
    โœจClick on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates and special services ! โœ… Click Here Today๐ŸŒธAnna๐ŸŒธXuka๐ŸŒธCandy๐ŸŒธVivian๐ŸŒธBarbara Call us โ˜Ž 905 - 265 - 2158โ˜Ž๏ธ Your ultimate service awaits! โœจ
  38. wilson holistic centre:
    ๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•Beautiful Korean girl working at 382 Wilson Ave ๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•โ˜Ž๏ธโ˜Ž๏ธ416-840-0071โค๏ธโค๏ธ
  39. Golden Flower Spa:
  40. BlueXado Therapy & Spa:
  41. Pink Flower Spa:
  42. AliceSpa:
    SATURDAY at ๐—”๐—Ÿ๐—œ๐—–๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”, 4915 Steeles Ave. E, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿต๐Ÿด-๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿด๐Ÿต๐Ÿด. 4915 Steeles Ave. E, Scarborough 416-298-0898 [/color] Alice spa has 3 attractive honeys today. Open 10am to 9pm: Super SPINNER SUMMER (10am-9pm): is a super petite student, very small and slim, 5โ€™3โ€ & super spinner 90 pounds, All Natural 33B Cups & 33โ€ Spinner Hips, very young looking with her pretty baby face. Great at bbbj dfk cim
  43. bnwellness_wilson:
    We have 4 young girls are working today, young pretty Michelle 25โ€™s with curve body open mind and young flirty Yoyo 30โ€™s with 36DD and big buttocks open mind,young student Kitty 26โ€™s with curve body open mind and sweet GFE Lina are providing deep tissue massage, pls call 4163985777 book appointment and walk in always welcome,back entrance and parking available, 350 Wilson Ave North York
  44. Jennyโ€™s Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’JENNYโ€™S SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…5170 DUNDAS STREET WESTโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒETOBICOKE ONTARIO M9A 1C4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ( 647-893-5196)โ˜Ž๏ธCall or Text โ˜Ž๏ธ( 437-888-3759)โ˜Ž๏ธCall Only (ETOBICOKE) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…GRAND OPENING๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅEXCELLENT MASSAGE + SERVICE QUEENS NOW AVAILABLE AT JENNYโ€™S SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅBEAUTIFUL NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ’ฏREAL PICTURES OF ATTENDANTS๐Ÿ’ฏ ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’‹Limited Time Special Promotion๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’‹ โœ…๐Ÿ’ฆ30 Minutes Nude Massage
  45. DareDevil:
    Blackpink Wellness โ™ฅ๏ธโ™ฅ๏ธ90 Marycroft Ave. Unit #2, Vaughan, ๐Ÿญ๐ŸฌON L4L 5Y1 (647) 395-3188. BEAUTIFUL AND SEXY GIRLS TODAY: ๐ŸŒนSuperstar Kelly and Beautiful Tiffany on duty๐ŸŒน.
  46. ForeverWarden:
    Saturday at ๐Ÿซฆโค๏ธ๐Ÿ”ด๐ŸŸฅโ™พ๏ธ๐“•๐“ž๐“ก๐“”๐“ฅ๐“”๐“ก ๐“ข๐“Ÿ๐“โ™พ๏ธ๐ŸŸฅ๐Ÿ”ดโค๏ธ๐Ÿซฆ 2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฌ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด๐Ÿณ: Gigi, Sara & Tracy. Gigi is slim and young, with long hair. Sara is young & slim with nice C Cups, trim waist, sexy bum and long hair. She is vary friendly uses her assets well. Tracy is an incredibly cute & pretty Japanese/Taiwanese mixed spinner, about 5โ€™1โ€ and 100 lbs.
  47. HolidaySpa:
    Saturday at ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…๐“—๐“ธ๐“ต๐“ฒ๐“ญ๐“ช๐”‚ ๐“ข๐“น๐“ช๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4, Scarborough โ˜Ž๏ธ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿญ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿต๐Ÿตโ˜Ž๏ธ: AMY & MAGGIE. AMY is an attractive young lady with larger breasts and a nice bottom. She has outstanding oral skills, and is very popular. Donโ€™t miss out on her special skills! Maggie is sweet, slim and very talented. ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…HOLIDAY SPA๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด 3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4 (Kennedy Rd & Steeles Ave E)
  48. SugarLoveSpa:
    Saturday at โค๏ธ๐Ÿ’™ ๐Ÿ’œโŽ๐—ฆ๐—จ๐—š๐—”๐—ฅ ๐—Ÿ๐—ข๐—ฉ๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”โŽ ๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿ’˜: CHRISTINA, LUNA, SARA & TIFFANY. 1270 Finch Ave W (at Keele St), Unit 18. North York. CHRISTINA is Spanish, C Cups, 5'3", tall & nice curves, very open minded. LUNA is a slim, VERY PETITE and capable Vietnamese beauty, nice natural 34C Cups. Luna can do everything. SARA is a beautiful Thai lady with C Cups, 160 Cms and 50 Kgs, with a full set
  49. Annie Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ANNIE SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…7-1001 SANDHURST CIRCLEโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒSCARBOROUGH ON M1V 1Z6๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ (647) 891-9688โ˜Ž๏ธ โ˜Ž๏ธ (416) 291-8879โ˜Ž๏ธ (FINCH & MCCOWAN) OPEN 9:30am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…NEW MANAGEMENT๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ”ฅGORGEOUS NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS - TODAYโ€™s ROSTER INCLUDES: ๐Ÿ”ฅ Judy๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅOur new Asian massage girl Judy is a vision of refined sensuality, with a graceful figure and smooth, flawless skin that radiates warmth and allure. Her striking black hair frames her delicate features, and her poised
  50. Red Rose Spa:
    ๐ŸŒธ We have 15 hot brown girls today ๐ŸŒธSABHA, PREET, SARIKA, PRIYA, MIMI, SASHA, AMANDA, JOEY, SUMMER, ANAYA, AMMU, SALMA ๐ŸŒธ 2588 Birchmount ๐ŸŒธ 2 Invergordon ๐ŸŒธ 647-702-8800 ๐ŸŒธ Please visit for a great erotic massage
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