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Hi

Has anyone visitng these pages had disc replacement surgery? If so, what does the operation entail and what sort of recovery time did you need? Also, what has your recovery been like?

I have seen specialist number four, who doesn't think I will benefit any further from another ELD&F or open discectomy, and he has recommended fusion (which I am fighting against until nothing else is available), or disc replacement (based on scans that I need to have done).

Any of your own experiences would be much appreciated.

Thanks

Maz
 
Hi Keano

He didn't say he didn't like the procedure, he was impressed by what Mr Knight had already done, but he didn't think that having the same procedure a second time would sort my problem out.

Because my symptoms are as bad as pre op and are still on both sides, I am not confident that one more ELD&F would sort me out, and it is really difficult to continue to fund something that may not be the solution for me. Mr K has also stressed that I may need to have ELD&F at more than level and at more than one side.
 
This can sometimes be an issue with MISS, especially for multi-level problem.
Often several surgeries need to be performed, and in your country you must pay for them. Here in my country, endoscopy, laser, METRx and other MISS methods are covered by our national insurance.

I am sorry for you...
 
Oh Maz I am so sorry to hear that. I do think one of the drawbacks of the miss surgery for people with multilevel, bilateral problems is the continuing cost and never ending line of operations? After one there is the " well we know you need another on the other side/level etc" and so its impossible to have pain taken as failure but instead the pain is immediately blamed on another level/side?

Did MK say his operation was classified as a success? Did something go wrong or was it the wrong site of the pain? Have you had a new mri and what did it say? What did he say?



If you are going to pay have you thought of trying the USA?
 
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MK has never said the the op was a success because I presented with the same symptoms from the morning following the op, which is very unusual.

The symptoms on the right settled down for a short time following the op, but they came back again and I have had no relief from left or right for some considerable time.

I had a new MRI about 10 weeks post op because MK was not happy with my lack of progress which showed that I have a further two prolapsed discs (L4/L5 and L5/S1). He gave me 4 options, one of which was to have the same op again approaching from the opposite side to previous op.
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I saw specialist number 4 to get another opinion as my brain has now turned to complete mush (medication) and I really haven't a clue what to do or who to turn to. Like most people on here, I just waant an end to this suffering and some quality of life back.

Sorry I didn't intend to start whinging!
 
I don't know if traveling to USA makes sense?

1. Prices there are very high
2. Europe has some world-class surgeons for all procedures (MISS, fusion, ADR)

I am very sorry for your case. If you have funds, my proposal would be to continue with Dr. Knight. One of MISS concepts is eliminating pain sources one by one, unfortunately that costs a lot of money if difficult cases like yours

Please check your PM, maybe I can help you a little.
 
I thought that I would update to say that I have had my dexa scan to check my bone density, and as the result was above average I should be okay to proceed to the next stage.

I am hoping to book another consultation with the specialist within the next couple of weeks to run through the procedure and all of the risks etc.

Based on the conversation I had at my initial consultation as long as my bone density was good enough I would be able to go ahead and book the operation so theoretically I may get a slot in October/November.

If it will only halve my pain it will be beneficial, and if it takes more than that away I will be estatic. It is major surgery so I know that I will have a long recovery ahead of me but fingers crossed it will be the right solution for me.

I wish all fellow sufferers relief from their pain x
 
Hope you are doing ok too xxxx

Whats the difference between disc replacement and fusions then? Probably being a total clutz here but I have never been offered a disc replacement and wonder why??
 
ADR is something completely completely different.

ADR keeps your spine in motion. This has advantages and disadvantages. Your intervertebral disc is replaced by artificial one. There are several producers. I know a doctor that has made more than 2000 implantations and has very good success rate, and very low complication rate. He has completely abandoned fusions.

Fusion is simple, they remove your disc, ligaments and other structures, put intervertebral cage to keep spine height and then they fixate everything with screws and rods. There are few techniques like PLIF, TLIF and ALIF... and nowdays minimally-invasive spinal fusion like MI-TLIF and DLIF/XLIF.
 
Keano, I understand fusion, least think I do because the doctors always go on about it, but no-one has ever mentioned disc replacement to me? Would it be because my endplates are arthritic? What is done in a disc replacement?

Cassie
 
How can someone even mention ADR when most of surgeons don't do this type of surgery? Similar situation is with minimally-invasive surgery. They don't mention it because they are not educated in that field.

I don't think fusion is much cheaper. I think prices are pretty much the same, at least in Germany (I am familiar with situation in Germany).

Most of surgeons don't even consider ADR because there are many possible complications of this surgery, and outcome is a bit risky and most of them think its something new.

However, some surgeons are doing ADR surgery for 15 years and have good results. Some of them don't do discectomies and fusions any more, they only seek for patients that are candidates for ADR.

Not sure if your endplates are contraindication...
 
Hi Cassie

Thank you for the kind words. I am exactly the same as I was prior to my op in May, though the pain has been exacerbated by the thoughtless actions of a nurse that assisted at the scan. Whilst I was lying flat on a couch, with no forewarning, she lifted both of my legs up to place a wedge cushion underneath my knees. A pain ripped across my lower back and I have been left in agony. I gripped onto the couch and had tears streaming down my face. I already have two prolapsed discs so her actions didn't exactly help.

I found out about replacement discs in 2008 when I was researching newer treatments to see if any would be viable for me. Three specialists that I have seen since then have each said that I am not suitable. I truly believe that each consultant recommends their own specialised treatment, and it seems that they will not suggest/recommend other treatments outside of their own expertise.

It is all very hit & miss and even my GP had no idea about disc replacement surgery. It seems that the patient has to do all of the research and find what suits them. I will say though, that my GP has been very supportive throughout the last twelve months.

I can't match Keanos descriptive way of explaining procedures, but each of my specialists have advised that a fusion should only be considered when nothing else is available. I understand that once you have had a fusion you will not be able to have any new/pioneering treatments that may become available, and that your spine will weaken in the two areas above & below the fusion.

How are you doing now? I hope all is well x
 
They have tell you good thing... For most cases, fusion is last resort.

However, with single level fusion stated facts do not stand ("your spine will weaken in the two areas above & below the fusion"), according to studies.

My mom had fusion recently, she had terrible time before surgery, after surgery also. Now, its getting better.

All best
 
Keano, sending love to your mum, I hope she is feeling better

Maz, You hit the nail on the head, why don't these mri nurses learn! I practically screamed when I had mine and then they want you to lie flat for a long time its crazy. Such a simple thing, don't they realise we are there to be scanned because we have back problems? Mind this only applies to the nhs scans, the private ones do seem to be very gentle and caring. Its all wrong.
 
Hi Guys

I saw consultant number four today and have surgery booked for 1st November, when he will do a double disc replacement at L4/L5 and L5/S1.

I am eager to have the surgery to try to get some degree of normality back in my life, but also very nervous about undergoing such major surgery

I pray that this will sort me out, because the only option otherwise is fusion, and as all four specialists advise against it I really don't want to go there.

I hope you are all keeping on top of your pain and that the onset of the colder weather isn't making you feel worse.

Maz
 
All the very best with your surgery, Maz.

I've now been offered 2 surgery procedures, one private and one with the NHS, both booked for early next month. What's that all abou? You wait months and months for surgery, then 2 come along at once

Let us know how it all goes for you.
 
Just like buses eh Jim?

Thank you for your kind words.

What surgery are you going to have? Are the NHS offering the same as the private? Don't tell me its in the same hospital, with the same surgeon...lol

Maz
 
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    ARIA WELLNESS โ™ฅ๏ธโ™ฅ๏ธADDRESS: 360 HWY 7, UNIT #6, RICHMOND HILL,647-222-5683 โ™ฅ๏ธโ™ฅ๏ธ(PHONES CALL ONLY, NO TEXT'N AVAILABLE) โ™ฅ๏ธTODAY'S Schedule!โ™ฅ๏ธ Loaded lineup with Beautiful Girls : Young RMT Student Helen, Gorgeous Candy, Magical Mia and Work out๐Ÿ‹๐Ÿšด๐Ÿ’ช Babe Amy! SPECIAL PROMO 30 MINS 2 GIRLS $70 ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน**TODAY'S PICKS OF THE DAY ARE ๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿญ CANDY AND HELEN๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿญ**
  27. Lulu_Villa_Spa:
    Judy is a gorgeous model type Vietnamese Girl Mia Vietnamese sweetheart girl with amazing personality Natalie she is CBC/filipina mixed Petite girl Bella She is Mexican Gorgeous face โ˜Ž๏ธ647- 446-0886
  28. wonderspa:
    :wonderspa: โ˜Ž๏ธ416-5000-800,L6a4H8๏ผŒopen10 to10,Ensuit shower available ๐ŸŒน๐Ÿ”ฅbeautiful young Jessica sexy body,deep tissue to relax massage back walk,hot stone๐Ÿ…sexy face sunny is very good looking,slim body ,nice body slide sweet sensual touch ๐ŸŒนbeautiful long hair younge new lily Q,friendly,amazing massage,happy the end,really popular,must try๐ŸŒน๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ
  29. Sunrise Relaxation(416)916-7276:
    Take a peek on Tomorrow@Sunrise Relaxation Downtown: Jennifer, Tina and Kitty will be there to ignite all your desires. Call (416)500-0921 for detail schedule and insight info
  30. EMSpa_schedule:
    Tomorrow's sneak peek: On Thursday May 29, 2025, our attendants will be Ada ๐Ÿค—, Cici ๐Ÿคฉ, Vicky ๐Ÿ˜, Sophie ๐Ÿ˜ and Monica ๐Ÿฅฐ. Call us at โ˜Ž๏ธ(905) 479-6668โ˜Ž๏ธ to book!
  31. wilson holistic centre:
    ๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•Beautiful Korean girl working at 382 Wilson Ave ๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•โ˜Ž๏ธโ˜Ž๏ธ416-840-0071โค๏ธโค๏ธ
  32. Nu spring spa888:
    ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒนsexy hot Viennese ๐Ÿ’–Filipino ๐Ÿ’– Korean girls ๐Ÿ‘working at Nu spring spa๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ’‹โ˜Ž๏ธ416-669-8508๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน
  33. Spa in Markham:
    GOLDEN FS โ€“ 8380 Kennedy Rd ๐Ÿ“ž 905-258-0777 / 416-688-6886 ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ CICI, ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡ณ SONIA (2PM), ๐Ÿ‡ฒ๐Ÿ‡พ AMY ๐Ÿ”Ž View Schedule: bit.ly/flowers_schedule ๐Ÿ›Ž๏ธ Booking Now: bit.ly/bookinggoldenlove
  34. FLOWER Spa - BLUEXADO | Thornhill | VAUGHAN:
    BLUEXADO FS โ€“ #06-1102 Centre St ๐Ÿ“ž 416-357-9797 / 416-678-8668 ๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡ด MEGAN, ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ MY LINH, ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ JULIE ๐Ÿ”Ž View Schedule: bit.ly/flowers_schedule ๐Ÿ›Ž๏ธ Booking Now: bit.ly/bookingbluexadolove
  35. FLOWER Spa โ€“ PINK | Scarborough | TORONTO:
    PINK FS โ€“ 3300 McNicoll Ave ๐Ÿ“ž 416-299-5515 / 416-817-3839 ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡ท ELINA, ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ KELLY, ๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡ฌ CANDY (12PM) ๐Ÿ”Ž View Schedule: bit.ly/flowers_schedule ๐Ÿ›Ž๏ธ Booking Now: bit.ly/bookingpinklove
  36. Golden Sunshine Spa:
    โœจClick on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates and special services ! โœ… Click Here Today๐ŸŒธAkame๐ŸŒธChristina๐ŸŒธXuka๐ŸŒธLynda๐ŸŒธMilly Call us โ˜Ž 905 - 265 - 2158โ˜Ž๏ธ Your ultimate service awaits! โœจ
  37. Soul Relax Spa:
    โœจ Looking for a relaxing escape? โœ… Click Here Meet๐ŸŒธTina๐ŸŒธIsabella๐ŸŒธMonikaCall us today for the best treatment and service experience. Click on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates ! Call now โ˜Ž 289 - 298 - 5662โ˜Ž๏ธ Your ultimate relaxation awaits! โœจ
  38. SL East Spa:
    ๐Ÿ’†โ€โ™€๐Ÿ’–WooHoo Wed๐Ÿ’– Ultimate destination for Asian massages๐ŸŽ‰ Two fab spots: Richmond Hill & Oakvilleโœจ Your passport to paradise with 10 enchanting girls fr China, HK, Japan & Korea โ€” ๐Ÿ†•Luna, Cindy, Coco,Cici, Jenny, Amber, JPN Yui, Akino, Jasmine & Lucyโ€” ready to pamper you๐ŸŽ๐Ÿ Ring us ๐Ÿ“ž647-695-6354 or text us ๐Ÿ“ฑ647-578-8169โœจ 160 East Beaver Cr., Unit 12, RichmondHill ๐Ÿ’ฐWhere Eastern charm meets Western comfort - your bliss awaits๐Ÿ™Œ
  39. Lulu1980:
    Phoenix Blossom Spa ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน2 girls ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ5124 Dundas St W Etobicokeโ˜Ž๏ธ416-817-3366๐Ÿ‘ Table Shower Sea Salt Bath Body Scrub๐Ÿ˜˜ Japanese girl Nina โค๏ธ Natural Big Boobs 38 DD ๐Ÿ˜˜Pink Mini Nipples Hot body slide, super enjoyable๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜ very provocative service๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜, professional super Luna deep tissue massage, has therapeutic effect to loosen bones and relieve muscle pressure and will bring you unexpected service effects, she will bring you a little surprise๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜โค๏ธYou are welcome to make an appoint
  40. SpringGreen.:
    Today we have 5 girls on downtown Toronto 72 gerrard st west๏ผš๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ’‹ New girl gaga Serving The Queen ๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ’‹Bunny- Tanned Spanish beauty with large melons and a fun booty too Wendy- exotic goddess with a gymnasts body and corresponding flexibility Jennifer- Exotic beauty with... Call and text 647 891 0699 ask questions Thanks ๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ’‹
  41. Jennyโ€™s Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’JENNYโ€™S SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…5170 DUNDAS STREET WESTโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒETOBICOKE ONTARIO M9A 1C4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ( 647-893-5196)โ˜Ž๏ธCall or Text โ˜Ž๏ธ( 437-888-3759)โ˜Ž๏ธCall Only (ETOBICOKE) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…GRAND OPENING๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅEXCELLENT MASSAGE + SERVICE QUEENS NOW AVAILABLE AT JENNYโ€™S SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅTWO BEAUTIFUL NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ’ฏREAL PICTURES OF ATTENDANTS๐Ÿ’ฏ ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’‹Limited Time Special Promotion๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’‹ โœ…๐Ÿ’ฆ30 Minutes Nude Mass
  42. Red Rose Spa:
    ๐ŸŒธ We have 5 hot brown girls today ๐ŸŒธ MONICA, PAOLA, MALIYA, MONIKA, AMANDA, ASHA, JAZMINE, PREETI, ANGELINA, KIRAN ๐ŸŒธ 2588 Birchmount ๐ŸŒธ 2 Invergordon ๐ŸŒธ 647-702-8800 ๐ŸŒธ Please visit for a great erotic massage
  43. wilson holistic centre:
    ๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•Beautiful Korean girl working at 382 Wilson Ave ๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•โ˜Ž๏ธโ˜Ž๏ธ416-840-0071โค๏ธโค๏ธ
  44. wonderspa:
    ๐ŸŒบWonder spa,(9421Jane st unit127)call416-5000-800โ˜Ž๏ธbest massage in vaughan,Wednesday RMT available,๐Ÿ’„sexy face young girl Joey natural c cup,very good looking nice body slide,really popular ๐ŸŽlong hair Q Lucy good strong to relax oil massage, Relieve pain and remove stress,more experience,๐ŸŒนvery nice new girl CiCi, amazing the end,give you warm time,must try๐ŸŒน๐Ÿฅค
  45. AliceSpa:
    WEDNESDAY at ๐—”๐—Ÿ๐—œ๐—–๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—” 416-298-0898, 4915 Steeles Ave. E, Scarborough 3 very nice girls here today. Open 10am to 9pm: CLOUDIA (11am-8pm): is Vietnamese, young, petite 5'2" & 96 Lbs, B Cup, best rim deep bbbj cim. $40 Room Fee + $80 (incl bbbj & fs). +$20 for rim/cim. Excellent open minded services. DORIS (12pm-9pm): from Taiwan, is young & petite with loing thick black hair, 105 Lbs
  46. Annie Spa:
    ๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ˜˜Sexy Petite Korean๐Ÿ‡ฐ๐Ÿ‡ทGirl Eva working with Sweet Beautiful Japanese New Cummer to Canada Feifei ๐Ÿ‡ฏ๐Ÿ‡ต and Sensual Pleasing Busty Coco๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡ณtoday๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ˜˜Call or text ๐Ÿ“ฒ647-891-9688 or 416-291-8879๐Ÿ“ฒ
  47. EMSpa_schedule:
    Hey! Where have you been? Today (Wednesday), our amazing attendants are Carla โ€, Cici ๐Ÿ˜, Opal ๐Ÿคฉ, Sandy ๐Ÿค— and Yoyo ๐Ÿ˜. Call us at โ˜Ž๏ธ (905) 479-6668 โ˜Ž๏ธ to book your favourite and head on over to 7665 Kennedy Road, Unit 4, Markham!
  48. ForeverWarden:
    Wednesday at ๐Ÿซฆโค๏ธ๐Ÿ”ด๐ŸŸฅโ™พ๏ธ๐“•๐“ž๐“ก๐“”๐“ฅ๐“”๐“ก ๐“ข๐“Ÿ๐“โ™พ๏ธ๐ŸŸฅ๐Ÿ”ดโค๏ธ๐Ÿซฆ2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฌ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด๐Ÿณ: Bella, Cindy & Sasa. Bella is around 5โ€™3โ€ with a thin to medium build, C Cups, and a pleasing personality. She can offer dfk, bbbj and cfs as well as a good massage experience. Cindy is a slim beauty, 5โ€™4โ€, natural C Cups. Her massage is nice, her services will drive you wild & her finish is a dream
  49. HolidaySpa:
    Wednesday at ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…๐“—๐“ธ๐“ต๐“ฒ๐“ญ๐“ช๐”‚ ๐“ข๐“น๐“ช๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4, Scarborough โ˜Ž๏ธ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿญ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿต๐Ÿตโ˜Ž๏ธ: FIONA, KIKI & CINDY. FIONA is a slim hottie with long dark hair, great melons and ass, and nice services. Kiki is very attractive, young, about 5โ€™4โ€ and 110 Lbs., slim with a banging body. Kiki is very popular for her great attitude and services. CINDY is slim & incredibly sexy
  50. SugarLoveSpa:
    Wednesday at โค๏ธ๐Ÿ’™ ๐Ÿ’œโŽ๐—ฆ๐—จ๐—š๐—”๐—ฅ ๐—Ÿ๐—ข๐—ฉ๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”โŽ ๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿ’˜: SARAH, SUSAN, TIFFANY & VIVI. 1270 Finch Ave W (at Keele St), Unit 18. North York, ON โ˜Ž ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฑ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด โ˜Ž SARA is a beautiful Thai lady with C Cups, 160 Cms and 50 Kgs, with a full set of services to delight you. SUSAN is a small, slim & sexy Latina girl, 5'4" & 116 Lbs, with nice boobs and ass, very versatile services.
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