help-joints in my hands are really sore after massaging

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hello all

I only qualified 2 years ago (itec dip holistic mass) and until 3 months ago i just did family and friends in my spare time....now i work in a spa and it is pretty full on with back to back treatments throughout the shift.
i noticed last week my fingers, wrists and pretty much eveything in between was clicking when i massaged, the last few days they are so sore, they were feeling really hot inside last night and today felt really cold it was hard to warm my fingers up....when i do deep tissue or swedish i use my forearms and elbows a lot, but it seems just a simple face and head massage is setting it off.....

im gutted, i love my job so much and worked so hard to get it-any ideas, advice or thoughts are very very appreciated...

i only work part time, there are ladies at work who have been there for years and have no problems-could it be me doing something wrong??

Much love

a x
 
This has to be one of the problems that massage therapists do experience when they do treatments back to back, so you really need to take good care of yourself. Some people I know have trained in No Hands Massage to preserve the joints in their hands from strain. Others I know got some acupuncture to help themselves out.

Good idea to do some warm ups prior to massage and ensure that your posture whilst giving a massage is good, try to use your body weight, rather than increasing pressure on finger joints and for friction reinforce fingers or thumbs.

Take good care of yourself and you will have a long career, but above listen to your body and don't be bullied into using too much pressure if it is uncomfortable for you.

Binah
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Hi amythest2000, this is a common compliant with therapists, especially those what work on production lines in spas, perhaps you need to address your techniques. We all get in bad habits, i had a nasty scare 3 years ago, but by addressing my techniques, adjusting my posture, also stretching out my wrist flexors and extensors, my painful hands have never come back.

Therapist1960uk
 
When you use fingers and thumbs, make sure you always cover them with your other hand (or thumb if you must) so you still use them as a tool, but the force doesn't all go through the one digit.

Stretching and warming up/down is good, but I'm in a similar situation as you (allbeit with less clients, but still back to back) and understand there is often little time for this.

Try to massage your own hands and arms (there are books available on this subject), or get another therapist to treat you regularly, and stretch at home.

I also find that I get more problems when I'm generally tired and/or stressed, so try to make sure you get enough sleep and you-time.
 
I recommend you read this book asap - it's really excellent and also explains the nature of repetitive strain injury really well. You can get it on amazon:

http://www.saveyourhands.com/index.php/The-book/the-book.html

Please think long term here - if you don't nip this in the bud your career may be very short.
 
All good advice-I do some pretty heavy duty sports massage, quite often 10 or more appointments per day (my choice, but I wouldn't recommend it to everybody), and yes the joints do get a little sore. In addition to the excellent advice given on supporting hands and no hands massage (try using Knuckles as well as forearm and elbow points), try plenty of self massage and stretching of the joints and muscles in the hands and arms-even better, get someone to do it for you.
 
Hi amethyst

I agree wholeheartedly with pretty much everything that has been said here. I started getting joint pain in my thumbs and wrists after only 6 months of starting in this business, so I knew I had to make sure I looked after myself. Do make sure you posture is good all the time during your treatments, so your bodyweight is providing the pressure rather than your joints, and definitely learn more about using your forearms or elbows if you can.

I'm not sure if it's feasible where you are working, but I use hot stones which basically mean I don't use my thumbs at all any more, so I have no more problems with my joints. They really are fab as hand savers, so if it is feasible maybe you could consider this option?

Best of luck

Josey
 
Lie on your back and thoroughly palpate all of your scalene muscles. Address all of the trigger points you find.

I'd be interested to know how many you find. I'd be surprised if you had none. Also look at the lateral apect of your bracialis and subscapularis, wouldn't be surprised to find triggers there too. You probably have a touch of medialepicondylitis? If so have a look/palpate the distal, medial aspect of triceps and give that area some attention.

Also sounds as if you are tensing your fingers during effleurage. I had a massage off a girl, during effleurage I couldn't feel her palms on me at all. Not only was it most unpleasant, her finger flexors must have been going through hell.

I don't use my thumbs in petrissage, as shown in Darien Pritchards book, takes a while to get used to but excellent once you do.

Hope that helps.

Kevin.
 
Find a good hands-free course that you feel may work for you. I'm both No Hands and Injury Prevention Massage trainined (and an IPM trainer). These techniques have been fantastic for me, its not about never using your hands - its about only using them when you need to. The majority of effleurage and pettrisage work can be done with other areas and most importantly reducing strain and pressure to delicate small joints and muscles.

Mat
 
Darien Pritchard, as mentioned by Kevin, has written a great (big!) book which is worth buying. He also teaches hands-free massage, definitely in the Cardiff & Bristol area, possibly elsewhere in the country too. Have a look here: http://www.dynamicmassage.co.uk/
 
Hi amythest2000
I agree with much of the above in terms of protection. But as you mention your hands feeling hot and cold it could be nerve impingment of the brachial plexus neck or shoulder area due to bad posture.If this is the case getting all your triggerpoints treated should be your priority.
As you have already been warned by those above this change in career and production line method could be harmfull to you.
Listen to your body, dont give to much of yourself, let energy flow through you not from you.
My tips are :-always work from an adjustable height table if you can.
Ice your hands at the end of the day (as long as they are not cold numb already)
Make friends with your local/clinic osteopath he/she may treat you for free if you can send/set up a referal system.
Swap treatments regularily with other massage therapists.(and reiki too)
Take glucosamine and chondritin suppliments.
Keep fit and strong at the gym.
Swim backstroke = good for unwinding the spine and arms at the end of a long day.

I'm 12 yrs into my career and hoping for at least another 12. I wish you a long and successfull career.

Regards steve
 
thanks to everyone for taking your time to reply with such fab advice-interesting what stephen said because my neck is feeling very stiff also-i have made an appointment to see my gp to maybe get a referral for treatment before my symptoms get worse...

out of interest It was also recommended using magnet therapy in the form of a wrist band (bracelet or similar) does anyone have any feedback regarding this??

thank you all again

A xxx
 
I've used 2 different magnetic wristbands, they get in the way while massaging and they turn my wrists green.

Myarka.
 
Forgot to add that an easy test to do is to flex and extend your fingers. If (with gentle pressure ) they touch or nearly touch your forearm then you are hyperflexable (your muscles will be very overworked trying to stabilize your joints whilst working) You may find this will severely limit your career potential.

Regards steve
 
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    โœจClick on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates and special services ! โœ… Click Here Today๐ŸŒธCandy๐ŸŒธVivian๐ŸŒธXuka๐ŸŒธHellen๐ŸŒธMelissa Call us โ˜Ž 905 - 265 - 2158โ˜Ž๏ธ Your ultimate service awaits! โœจ
  37. wonderspa:
    wonderspa: wonderspa: ๐ŸŒบwelcome to wonder spaโ˜Ž๏ธ416-5000-800,L6a4H8๏ผŒ. 4young beautiful girls working everyda,Ensuit shower available ๐Ÿ…,new friendly nice girl CiCi,providing oil deep tissue to relax massage and nice body slide,back work.more experience ,๐Ÿ…nice Vietnamese Amy is very beautiful face,open maid,amazing touch,happy the end,give you warm and comfortable time,really popular girl,must try๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธโค๏ธ
  38. Soul Relax Spa:
    โœจ Looking for a relaxing escape? โœ… Click Here Meet๐ŸŒธTina๐ŸŒธAnna๐ŸŒธValentinaCall us today for the best treatment and service experience. Click on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates ! Call now โ˜Ž 289 - 298 - 5662โ˜Ž๏ธ Your ultimate relaxation awaits! โœจ
  39. SL Spa:
    ๐Ÿ’†โ€โ™€๐Ÿ’–Sexy Saturday๐Ÿ’– Ultimate destination for Asian massages๐ŸŽ‰ Two fab spots: Richmond Hill & Oakvilleโœจ Your passport to paradise with 10 enchanting girls fr China, HK, Japan & Korea โ€” Cici, Yoyo, Amber, Juliet, GFE Eva,Echo,๐Ÿ†•Julia, Lucy, Akino & Jennyโ€” ๐ŸŽ๐Ÿ Ring us ๐Ÿ“ž647-695-6354 or text us ๐Ÿ“ฑ647-578-8169โœจ 160 East Beaver Cr., Unit 12, RichmondHill ๐Ÿ’ฐWhere Eastern charm meets Western comfort - Your Black Friday Bliss is Here!๐Ÿ™Œ
  40. SpringGreen.:
    Today we have 5 girls on downtown Toronto 72 gerrard st west๏ผš๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ’‹ New girl angel very young๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ’‹Lisa- Tanned Spanish beauty with large melons and a fun booty too minica- exotic goddess with a gymnasts body and corresponding flexibility Jennifer- Exotic beauty with... Call and text 647 891 0699 ask...
  41. Nu spring spa888:
    ๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’–sexy hot busty Singapore ๐ŸŒน Indian ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒนkorean girls๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒนworking ๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿ’—at markham โ˜Ž๏ธ416-669-8508โค๏ธโค๏ธโค๏ธ
  42. FLOWER Spa โ€“ PINK | Scarborough | TORONTO:
    PINK FS โ€“ 3300 McNicoll Ave ๐Ÿ“ž 416-299-5515 / 416-817-3839 ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡ท ELINA, ๐Ÿ‡ญ๐Ÿ‡บ VANESSA, ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ MIKA, ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡ด MEGAN (12PM) ๐Ÿ”Ž View Schedule: bit.ly/flowers_schedule ๐Ÿ›Ž๏ธ Booking Now: bit.ly/bookingpinklove
  43. FLOWER Spa - BLUEXADO | Thornhill | VAUGHAN:
    BLUEXADO FS โ€“ #06-1102 Centre St ๐Ÿ“ž 416-357-9797 / 416-678-8668 ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ HELEN, ๐Ÿ‡ฒ๐Ÿ‡พ AMY, ๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡ฌ CANDY ๐Ÿ”Ž View Schedule: bit.ly/flowers_schedule ๐Ÿ›Ž๏ธ Booking Now: bit.ly/bookingbluexadolove
  44. Spa in Markham:
    GOLDEN FS โ€“ 8380 Kennedy Rd ๐Ÿ“ž 905-258-0777 / 416-688-6886 ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ญ๐Ÿ‡ฐ CICI, ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ NEW ROXY, ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ NEW LANA, ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡ณ AISHA ๐Ÿ”Ž View Schedule: bit.ly/flowers_schedule ๐Ÿ›Ž๏ธ Booking Now: bit.ly/bookinggoldenlove
  45. wilson holistic centre:
    ๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•Beautiful Korean girl working at 382 Wilson Ave ๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•โ˜Ž๏ธโ˜Ž๏ธ416-840-0071โค๏ธโค๏ธ
  46. AliceSpa:
    SATURDAY at ๐—”๐—Ÿ๐—œ๐—–๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”, 4915 Steeles Ave. E, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿต๐Ÿด-๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿด๐Ÿต๐Ÿด. 4915 Steeles Ave. E, Scarborough 416-298-0898 [/color] Alice spa has 3 attractive honeys today. Open 10am to 9pm: CLOUDIA (12pm-9pm) is Vietnamese, young, petite 5'2" & 96 Lbs, B Cup, best rim deep bbbj cim. $40 Room Fee + $80 (incl bbbj & fs). +$20 for rim/cim. Excellent open minded services. JESSICA (10am-9pm)
  47. ForeverWarden:
    Saturday at ๐Ÿซฆโค๏ธ๐Ÿ”ด๐ŸŸฅโ™พ๏ธ๐“•๐“ž๐“ก๐“”๐“ฅ๐“”๐“ก ๐“ข๐“Ÿ๐“โ™พ๏ธ๐ŸŸฅ๐Ÿ”ดโค๏ธ๐Ÿซฆ 2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฌ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด๐Ÿณ: Cherry Sara & Tracy. Sara is young & slim with nice C Cups, trim waist, sexy bum and long hair. She is vary friendly uses her assets well. Cherry is slim and very beautiful, can deliver a great service experience. Tracy is an incredibly cute & pretty Japanese/Taiwanese mix
  48. Jennyโ€™s Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’JENNYโ€™S SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…5170 DUNDAS STREET WESTโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒETOBICOKE ONTARIO M9A 1C4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ( 647-893-5196)โ˜Ž๏ธCall or Text โ˜Ž๏ธ( 437-888-3759)โ˜Ž๏ธCall Only (ETOBICOKE) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…GRAND OPENING๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅEXCELLENT MASSAGE + SERVICE QUEENS NOW AVAILABLE AT JENNYโ€™S SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅBEAUTIFUL NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ’ฏREAL PICTURES OF ATTENDANTS๐Ÿ’ฏ ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’‹Limited Time Special Promotion๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’‹ โœ…๐Ÿ’ฆ30 Minutes Nude Massage
  49. HolidaySpa:
    Saturday at ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…๐“—๐“ธ๐“ต๐“ฒ๐“ญ๐“ช๐”‚ ๐“ข๐“น๐“ช๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4, Scarborough โ˜Ž๏ธ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿญ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿต๐Ÿตโ˜Ž๏ธ: AMY & MAGGIE. AMY is an attractive young lady with larger breasts and a nice bottom. She has outstanding oral skills, and is very popular. Donโ€™t miss out on her special skills! Maggie is sweet, slim and very talented. ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…HOLIDAY SPA๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด 3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4 (Kennedy Rd & Steeles Ave E)
  50. SugarLoveSpa:
    Saturday at โค๏ธ๐Ÿ’™ ๐Ÿ’œโŽ๐—ฆ๐—จ๐—š๐—”๐—ฅ ๐—Ÿ๐—ข๐—ฉ๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”โŽ ๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿ’˜: LINDA, LUNA, SARA & TIFFANY. 1270 Finch Ave W (at Keele St), Unit 18. North York. LINDA is a beautiful young Asian mix girl, 60Kgs with big D Cup boobs with pointy nipples, very friendly, bbbj and many services. LUNA is a slim, VERY PETITE and capable Vietnamese beauty, nice natural 34C Cups. Luna can do everything. SARA is a beautiful Thai
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